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A Look at End Times with Dave Wilkerson

Posted by undergroundchurch on April 28, 2011

The Vision” by David Wilkerson

by Bob Gal on Thursday, April 28, 2011 at 7:39am

David Wilkerson received a vision April 1973 and published a book called ‘The Vision.’ (38 yrs ago) Do you think his death will release the fulfillment in the next 2 years? I wonder about the 5th point.

5 Main points were:

1. “Worldwide recession caused by economic confusion”

* “At most a few more fat flourishing years, and then an economic recession that’s going to affect the life style of every wage-earner in the world. The world economists are going to be at loss to explain what’s happening. It’s going to start in Europe, spread to Japan and finally to the United States.”

* There will be a move toward a worldwide, unified monetary system. The US dollar will be hit bad and it will take years for it to recover.

* The only real security will be in real estate (until a somewhat later stage, at which point this apparent security will also disappear).

2. “Nature having labor pains”

* Environmentalists will come under heavy criticism.

* There will be major earthquakes.

* There will be a major famine.

* Floods, hurricanes and tornadoes will increase in frequency.

* “A new kind of cosmic storm appearing as a raging fire in the sky leaving a kind of vapor trail.”[4]

3. “A flood of filth and a baptism of dirt in America”

* Topless women will appear on television, followed by full nudity.

* Adult, X rated movies will be shown on cable television. Young people will gather at homes to watch this kind of material in groups.

* Sex and the occult will be mixed.

* There will be an acceptance of homosexuality, and the church will even say that it is a God-given gift.

4. “Rebellion in the home”

* “I see the new number one youth problem in America and the world as hatred towards parents.”[4]

5. “A persecution madness against truly Spirit filled Christians who love Jesus Christ”

* There will arise a world church consisting of a union between liberal ecumenical Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church, using Christ in name only.

* There will be a hate Christ movement.

* There will be a spiritual awakening behind the Iron and Bamboo Curtains.

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Know Your Enemy

Posted by undergroundchurch on November 1, 2010

Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings.- 1 Peter 5:8-9

Some suffering is self inflicted.  Choices we make that come back and bite us.

Other suffering is a direct result of an enemy that is out there that wants one thing… your destruction!

Know your enemy

He is not nice or thoughtful nor does he have your best interest at heart.  He will do whatever it takes to bring you down. His best weapon is your ignorance.  So here are some steps to stay on top and overcome.

Be Self-Controlled

We live in a culture with no control.  We eat too much, play too much, complain too much and don’t spend enough time on things that really matter.  We need to prioritize and become more disciplined.

Be Alert

Don’t look for a devil behind every bush, but do be aware that in every situation there is the potential for the enemy to come in.  We are in the last days, and Satan knows it.  He is more active today that perhaps anytime in history, and every believer needs to be vigilant.

Resist Him

Every believer is endowed with the power of Christ, which is the Holy Spirit.  We are bought and owned by God, but because we live in “battlefield Earth”, we are targets of the enemy.  The greatest power God gave us is the power of choice.  We can say, “No!” We can run; we can turn from the enemy and in doing so, stand against him.  He may attack us, but he cannot own us.

Stand Firm in the Faith

Do not doubt, but trust God.

“For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline.” (2 Timothy 1:7)

By standing firm you will gain life. (Luke 21:19)

You are not Alone

One of the hardest things to remember when you are suffering is that you are not the only one.  There are literally thousands and perhaps millions around the world suffering for their faith.  Just hang in there because the hope we have in Christ is not like that of the world.  We have a guarantee from the Lord that we will one day be with the Him and every tear, pain and trouble will be wiped away! (Revelation 21)

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The Time is Short

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 5, 2009

Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near. – Isaiah 55:6

The Biblegateway scripture of the day rings a resounding alarm – there will be a day that God will be too far away.  That day approaches quickly, are you in with Him yet?

God doesn’t just throw around threats; His desire is to show you His bountiful goodness, so the Isaiah 55 starts off with –

Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and your soul will delight in the richest of fare.

Give ear and come to me;
hear me, that your soul may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.

What God has is free, but it has to be received.  He did all the work, but you still need to acknowledge your need for Him and your inability to make it to Him on your own.  Jesus is the only way to God; He is the truth and He is the only hope of eternal life you have.  This is immutable, and the offer only lasts for a short time before it is too late.

Come to the fountain today and drink freely of eternal life. Don’t let it slip away.

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Some Thoughts on the End Times – Part 3

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 3, 2009

A Different Look…

I hear teaching all the time on the End Times and how the church is going to be raptured before the tribulation time to come.  If you believe this, you don’t want to read any further because aren’t going to like it.

Yes, I believe the church will be raptured, but no, I don’t believe the Bible even hints that the church is going to avoid some serious trouble.  I know of only one Scripture used, I believe, out of context, that is used to teach that the church is out of here before the end comes.

For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. – 1 Thessalonian 5:9

This passage talks about salvation, and it’s rewards verses rejection of salvation and its reward.  That being said, I do believe God is not going to pour out His wrath on the Church in the end. That isn’t to say that someone’s wrath won’t be poured out on the church.

The more I look at the Book of Revelation, the more I am convinced that it is written more for the church than those “left behind”.  I also have a difficult time accepting the common premise that chapter 3 is the last time you see the church in Revelation.  I believe that chapter 6 and 7 lay out a bit of a different picture.

First, I don’t think that the tribulation time even begins until after the 6th Seal is opened in Revelation 6. Look at the first six seals for example:

Seal 1 – The White Horse and Rider

This simply represents a time of conquest, it doesn’t mean that it is the antichrist or even war, just that there is a particular nation, group or group of nations that begins a world-wide conquest (probably not done through war but words).  This may be quick, but could take years. If you look at today’s world, it could be a social or economic overthrow, but whatever it is, it ushers in the next rider.

Seal 2 – The Red Horse and Rider

This is war.  Notice that peace is removed from the earth at this time.  The first rider could represent a takeover that either doesn’t work, or one that works and war is needed to reinforce it.  Either way, war breaks out.  There is no telling how long the war takes.  But is does last long enough to bring in the next two horses.

Seal 3 – The Black Horse and Rider

This is famine and food shortage.  Worldwide  famines take a while to kick in – a year or two could certainly jack things up where you would have to work a whole day in order to buy a loaf of bread.

Seal 4 – The Pale Horse and Rider

This is death – the next step in famine and war.

Notice that the first four horses are man’s own doing.  God doesn’t need to do a thing for them to occur.

The 5th Seal is the key to my understanding of the end times.  You see martyred believers under the altar in heaven.  The assumption is that they are killed during the time of the first four seals.  Before the wrath of God comes on the world (c.f. Revelation 6:17), the wrath of the world comes on the believing community.  From the verbiage in this seal, you see that the time of martyred is not quite over yet.  \

Wait… I thought all the believers were in heaven?  Where did these come from? And why are more still to die? I thought the believers were all raptured?

I know that some teach that these are the people saved during the tribulation time, but there is no indication that believers were ever taken from the earth in the first place.  This is the church going through the times of troubles Jesus said would happen to the church. (c.f. Mark 13, Matthew 24, Luke 21, John 15:18-27,

The 6th Seall is the first one where God does something – an earthquake, spacial anomalies and astronomical upheaval. It is at this point that the world recognizes two things – the wrath of God has come and they need to hide.

You get the sense at this point that 1) the Great Tribuluation has started and 2) the believers going to be taken away.

From this point (Revelation 7), God sets up 144,000 evangelists, and then you see the  raptured beilevers in heaven.  One of the elders around the throne asks a strange question, “Where did these come from?”

In Chapter 4, we see the elders worshiping around the throne; now all of a sudden – poof… “Hey, where did all these people come from?”  The answer to the question by the martyred believers in Seal 5 is answered in this moment.

Notice that the angel says, “These are those that have come out of the great tribulation.” – Revelation 7:14

The 7th Seal then starts the punishment from God on the earth. (Revelation 8)

Look at how Jesus describes this time – the order is the same as described above and in Revelation. (Remember that he is speaking to believers)

“Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong —let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains (6th Seal) Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out. Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that this will not take place in winter (this is how the church should pray. Why? Unless we are still here), because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again. If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible. So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

“But in those days, following that distress, (6th Seal)
” ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. (This is the rapture)

“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come. It’s like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.

“Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!’ ” (This is the only command from Jesus about the end – watch!)

– Mark 13

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Some Thoughts on the End Times – Part 2

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 3, 2009

Prophecy is a finicky thing.  On the one hand, God uses it to reveal his plan, however cloaked it may appear.  On the other hand, when it comes to pass, you find out that the most sincere people got it wrong, and the people that shouldn’t have figured it out – did.

Take Jesus’ birth for example.  From Daniel’s prophecies and many others, the Jews knew the time period Jesus would be born, yet the only ones who actually figured it out were the people that didn’t even have the scriptures to go by. They were men from the East.  Those who were waiting, were looking for a king to be born in a castle, but those that weren’t supposed to know God very well, didn’t care where he was born, only that he was born.

This is a recurring theme in prophecy throughout the Bible.  The Jewish leaders were looking for a conquering king, but it was the fishermen in Galilee that found him because he came the first time as a suffering servant.

The interesting thing about God’s prophecies is that no matter the speculation before hand, when they do come to pass, little doubt is left.  This will be the case in the end times too.

I am always asking the question… “Why?”  I start with, “Why do I believe what I believe?” and end up with “Why does the Scripture say it this way or that?”  The Scriptures have shaken a lot of the beliefs I held to because when taken at face value, they tend to challenge my preconceived notions.

For example, when people interpret a scripture, they tend to drive it one way or another and usually build their interpretation on what they have heard others say.  This practice tends to breed a sense of dogma that can’t be broken, no matter how much scriptural proof is shown. The byproduct of having an exclusionary or extreme interpretation is that it alienates those that don’t believe as you do.

Basically, what I am saying here is that when it comes to end time prophecy, avoid the temptation to be dogmatic.  That’s what the first century Jews did and they ended up killing their own Messiah because he didn’t fit that preconceived mold.  They simple wouldn’t believe any other way.

When it comes to prophecy, expect the unexpected.

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Some Thoughts on the End Times – Part 1

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 1, 2009

I might as well do what everybody else seems to do and give a quick thought [teaching] on the End Times.

However, you probably won’t find this quite is comfortable sounding as the Sunday morning version.

Most End Time teaching basically follow this format.

  • The End Comes
  • The Church is Raptured
  • All chaos errupts
  • Jesus comes with all the believers and reigns a 1000 years
  • Final judgement
  • Everyone designated for Hell go there, those designated for Heaven, go there

I may have left out some detail, but you get the gist.

The biggest problem I personally have with this format is that

  1. It isn’t exactly a healthy and accurate assessement and
  2. It gives a false sense that the Church is not going to experience trouble

I call this Sunday morning approach the “Escapist Syndrome

Basically, the Book of Revelation is approached as a letter for those who are left behind.  What I find strange about that is that a large portion of the church teaching that I hear around the nation is on a subject that, according to the syndrome, doesn’t even apply to them.

2 Thessalonian 2:3 and 1 Timothy 4:1 along with other scriptures, speak of a “falling away” in the last days. This has to be about believers, because non-believers can’t fall away by definition. I have always thought that apathy would be the culprit, which may still be the case.  But I fear that there is going to be another unintended consequence to current teaching that will cause many to flee the faith.

There is a phobia, I believe, in pulpits to talk about bad things.  Blessings and prosperity, God’s best for your life, God loves you, all have their place, but we are inundated by an unhealthy amount of rose petal teaching. Even roses, though, have thorns, and the teachings of Jesus, Paul, James, and John do a much better job painting reality and have a much more balanced approach to understanding the end times than we American Christians pocesses.

The Right Balance

Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.” – Mark 4:16 and 17

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. – Romans 8:35-40

Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” – Matthew 24:9-13

Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. – John 15:20

And I could go on and on.

I think that church leaders fear that if the truth of persecution, the reality of hard times, and the fate of being hated as Jesus was hated were preached from a pulpit, they wouldn’t fill the chairs on a Sunday morning, but I think that the greater disservice is not telling followers of Christ the truth.  Tough times are coming! The church in America will be one day like the church in China and North Korea having to hide their $10,000 signs and abandon the $20 million buildings.  It is only a matter of time.

But in it all, no matter what happens, Jesus prepared us for this inevitable outcome.  All the prayer in the world, though it may delay it, will not stop it because it is part of the Plan of God.

I will end this part with what I consider to be the problem facing the future church because of the methodology of church teaching today.

The falling away will most likely come from Christians who have succumbed to the escapism syndrome and when the persecution in American and other “free nations” comes, they will ask the question,

Why? Why didn’t you tell me?  Why did you get my hopes up?  Why didn’t you prepare me?”

And they simply won’t have the strength to stand up under the pressure because they will feel betrayed and misled.  They will think that Jesus is not ever coming back because they never thought they’d be thrown into a prison in America just because they gathered with like believers.  The concerns of their world will outweigh their perceived need for a savior.

They thought is was all about prosperity and glory, but will find that the reality of the coming of the Son of Man will be like the birth of a child.  It will be painful while the child prepares to arrive, but the joy for those that endure to the end will be like holding that little baby in the arms.  All the pain in the birthing process will quickly fade in the joy of a new life with Christ forever.

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A Fair and Balanced Gospel – We preach, You decide

Posted by undergroundchurch on May 2, 2009

I’m stealing this title from Fox News, and I think we the church need to take our cues from this philosophy.

The purpose of the Bible is to present a true and accurate depiction of God’s interaction with humanity.  In it we see his love, holiness, kindness and justice.  Someone reading it might even think they are seeing mixed messages – how can a loving God let evil reign or send down judgments on the human race, or my favorite, how can a loving God send people to Hell?

Part of the confusion is found in how the church understands the balanced nature of God. God does not change, he is the same yesterday, today and forever.  The God of the Old Testament is alive and well today.  The question is how do we reconcile this in our hearts.

I have listened to many sermons in my life and watched the evolution of teaching in the church throughout the years.  Two hundred years ago in the holiness movement, the messages were more about repentance and righteousness than the love of God. 

A hundred years ago, the messages evolved into the movement of God through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Fifty years ago, they translated into a global outreach with crusades, evangelism and building the church body through salvation of the world. 

Thirty years ago, a movement known as the “Jesus movement” began a transition the church into seeing God as a loving savior and deserving of our worship – accepting of anyone and everyone. 

Twenty years ago the church began to be marred in the eyes of the world through pride, and in some ways sort of lost its identity.  It began concentrating on building big churches, programs and other off message works.  

Each era of the church tended to concentrate on one side of God with an emphasis toward one characteristic or another. Today, I would say that as a whole, the church is floating.  There is a movement within it to move, but complacency runs amok and it’s going to take a change of heart to get it going.  A sign of the times is that many in the church feel that we are ok and that there is nothing really wrong, but  we have lost our relevance. Just lookat society around us.  We used to set the tone for society, now our voices are ridiculed as intolerant when the opposite is true. 

The question is where will the church go?  What will the church of the next decade look like?

For all my criticism of the current situation within the church, I am exceedingly optimistic and excited for its future.  The church is the tool Jesus is going to use to change the world, and it is going to go through a dramatic transformation to get there.

I have spent some time studying the rising movement within the church, I want to give a glimpse of where I feel the church will transition.

First, the church will balance its teaching.  The most prevalent teaching in the church today is about the goodness of God, the love of God and the mercy of God.  These are all good and true, but like the generations of the past, they look at God rather one sided.  The next transformation will be in the balance of teaching.  It will be a culmination of the last 200 years of church history with a flavor of first century methodology.  It will be strong in every area by balancing the love of God and the fear of God, balancing the mercy of God with the justice of God. 

Second, it will see salvations like never before that really impact those being saved through real repentance, change and power.  No longer will we just pray a prayer from the stage and leave it at that.  You will see people broken before God in their salvation experience.  They will not be getting saved on Sunday mornings only, but throughout the week.  Believers will be sharing the good news of Jesus with those in their workplace, grocery stores and restaurants and witnessing transformations that turn people from their sin and empower them to chase after God – an element lacking in many being saved today.

Third, you will see a fear of God arise that will drive believers to powerful prayer.  The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Fear is not the kind of fear you experience going to a horror  movie, it is the understanding that God is everything and you are nothing.  It is knowing that this God who loves you cannot let sin abide in his presence.  The believer will no longer live two lives – one of sin and one of Sunday morning facades. Holiness will be a sign of the believer’s life.

Fourth, you will see the gifts of God explode in the church.  Gifts that far too many in church believe are extinct will rise to a prominent state.  Miracle, signs and wonders will happen in fulfillment of Jesus’ own words in ways that have never occurred in common man.  The power of the Holy Spirit will empower the believer with all boldness, fruits and gifts necessary to usher in day of the Lord.

Fifth, Sunday is not going to be enough.  Like the first century church, the place to be will be with fellow believers.  You will begin meeting daily together because you will find that Jesus is showing up every time you get together.  Home churches, fellowships and just get togethers for prayer, teaching and worship will be in every neighborhood.  The church will blend into the lives of people and not be relegated to a building.

Finally, (and I’m sure there are more) the church will make an impact once again. Make no mistake, the world will hate the church more and more as we stand in righteousness, but the mercy of Jesus will shine through us as we reach out to meet the needs of the downtrodden.  We won’t be just about ourselves; we will have most of our ministries focused on those outside of our local churches where it should be. 

Ever notice that Jesus ministry was mostly to those that weren’t following him? He simply taught those following him, but to those that weren’t he healed, fed and brought the good news. 

Our preamble will be something like this… 

We the church, in order to form a more perfect union in Christ, will establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense of the Gospel, promote general welfare of the downtrodden, and secure the blessing of liberty in Christ  for ourselves and those living around us, to ordain and establish this Gospel of Jesus Christ for the people of the world.

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December 21, 2012 – a day that will live in infamy

Posted by undergroundchurch on April 28, 2009

I watched a History Channel special called Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012. What I found interesting was the number of societies that had an oracle that spoke of the end times time-frame and the problems that will occur then.

I don’t put much value into oracles speaking of end time prophecy; that said, I do place complete trust in the Biblical teachings. 

Every society in the world has a historic occurrence of a global flood in their histories.  Even though God has provided only one way to him through Jesus Christ, he has in the past communicated with other cultures and spoken oracles to other societies concerning things he was doing.  These oracles or prophecies harmonized with Biblical prophecy and therefore were not outside God’s revelation in the Bible.

An example of this is the famous story of the Magi that came to visit Jesus at his birth.  These were not Israelite men, but they somehow got special revelation to look to stars and seasons to discover where the messiah would be born.  The fact the Jesus would be born in Bethlehem is a well documented Biblical prophecy, but the special revelation given to these men along with the method they should use to find Jesus was extra-biblical.  To limit God’s utterances to only that which is written in the Bible is somewhat narrow minded.  But to trust any oracle not in line with the Bible is foolish.

When reading the Revelation of Jesus given to John in the Bible, you can see great detail of events that will happen. Many of these events are planet related events that affect seas, rivers, mountains, the mantle, tectonic plates and the like.  Asteroids plummet to earth and ships, people and fresh water are destroyed because of it.  All these things can be explain, not simply because of their miraculous nature, but the fact that God is in charge of nature and can use nature to accomplish his purpose.

Jesus told us that many things would happen leading up to the end – wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes and famines. (Matthew 24:5-12) He then says that these are just the “beginnings of birth pains”.  Just today there was another earthquake in Mexico and a new plague of swine flu broke out last week quickly spreading around the world.

There are human engineered events, societal events and planetary events.  He tells us that, like birth pains, these events will come on gradually, rhythmically and more frequently.  Eventually, the events will climax in the events described in Revelation.  I want to look at just a couple of the recent scientific observations that are rather interesting to note in view of biblical, extra-biblical and scientific revelation.

First, Revelation 9 speaks of a star that falls to earth opening the abyss and letting out some plagues. The angel of the abyss is Abaddon (which means destroyer).

In early March this year, a 40 yard wide asteroid DD45 passed 38,000 miles from earth. It was so close, it actually passed between earth and our geosynchronous satellites.

In 2004, astronomers discovered an asteroid that will pass by earth twice in the near future once in 2029 and again 7 years later in 2036.  At first, they thought the asteroid had a very good chance of hitting the earth; that fear has dropped slightly, but it is still in the real realm of possibility.  What makes this one unique is that they named it Apophis (which means destroyer) the same name as the destroyer released by the star which falls to earth opening the abyss. An asteroid impact on the earth would cause much destruction and could do much of what is in Revelation 9.

Even a small impact from the 40 yard wide asteroid that passed by last month would be equivalent to several atomic bombs. There are thousands of these asteroids floating around. In fact, the one that passed by in March was accidentally discovered four weeks before it passed by. 

Second, on December 21, 2012, the Mayan Calendar predicts a cataclysmic event.  This is based on the earth passing through the Milky Way’s galactic equator. Many scientific theories abound, but one rather prominent one is that the earth’s magnetic fields could reverse. 

This would not be a real concern if it hadn’t happened before, but there is physical evidence that this has happened before [check out NASA’s research]

The magnetic field is the primary defense against the solar winds and the power of the sun’s radiation. Without this field, life would not exist on earth.  If it shifts, which could take hours, days, months, or many years the earth could be exposed to the full brunt of the sun during that shift. 

Revelation 16 documents the final wrath of God – the bowl judgements.  These judgements happen quickly and everyone of them could easily describe what would happen just from the shifting of the magnetic fields.  If you want to look at one complete site dedicated to December 21, 2012 information, go to http://www.december212012.com/. I am not foolish enough to call this a done deal, what it does is that it give good food for thought.  Many dooms day predictions of the past were poorly researched hypothesis that worked primarily on emotion, but do not let the bad prophets of the past drop your vigilance.

I’ve listened to a lot of sermons on Revelation, but very few times do I ever hear anyone try to analyze how it might unfold.  It’s a totally different feel when you study end times prophecy with the view that it is totally plausible with scientific verification verses studying it like it’s only theoretical. 

And for those of you that want to believe that you won’t be here when it all happens, just keep in mind that you will still go through the birth pains.  These birth pains will get worse and some of the things that happen during the seven years of tribulation will probably have precursors similar to the real events.

Footnote: Just a point that needs to be made, the web sites mentioned in this article are not endorsed by me, but are just given for starting points and reference.  It is good to study, but everything must be judged.  A prophet is proved by whether or not his prophecies come true. Many false prophets have come and gone, but the Word of God – the Bible is the only sure thing.

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Seven Sins of a Dying Church

Posted by undergroundchurch on April 24, 2009

Based on research from Lifeway Christian Resources, there are seven sins of a dying church – that is a church no longer producing fruit.

  1. Diluting doctrine– making the Bible more palatable to non-believers by altering its meaning on foundational doctrines.
  2. Loss of evanglistic passion– the pastor is a dipstick… not literally, but figuratively for the congregation, if his heart isn’t into reaching the lost, the people probably aren’t either.
  3. Failure to be relevant – they are like a LP in a digital world. Times a people change and you have to adjust to the mission field you are in.  However, it is important that you don’t lose your foundation in the process.
  4. Conflict over personal preferences – there is no worse battle field than the field on which the blood of saints were killed by their own.  We can fight over the color of carpet but don’t have that same energy to fight for the lives of people.  It’s about getting the priorities right.
  5. Putting priority on comfort – It’s like parking your car in the driveway for a year because you’re too lazy to change the batteries in your garage door opener remote.  We get too comfortable to move.
  6. Biblical illiteracy – Only 3% of churches have a plan to teach the whole Bible to their people.  Is it any wonder why we have Christians that don’t even believe the Bible is true?  Only 46% of Christians believe in a moral absolute! – Barna Survey
  7. Few outwardly focused ministries – 95% of all church ministries minister to the members of the church.  That is not be God’s design but man’s.

If you notice, most of these failures happen when we shut the door to the world.  Churches aren’t clubs, they are hospitals.  The doors are always open.

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Church! the Tax Man a Cometh!

Posted by undergroundchurch on April 15, 2009

In my previous article, we looked at the reality that the government is going to come looking for new money because it is spending huge amounts of money it doesn’t have, and the church is in its sights.

I ended with two points, the tax man will come looking at the money coming in.  They will tax the church on its income and diminish or remove the tax deductible gift to the non-profit thereby reducing the amount coming in.

There are so many false promises coming out of Washington that it is really hard to keep up.  The one most applicable to this article has to do with not raising taxes on 95% of Americans.  This is simply a lie.  5% of America’s popluation, no matter how rich they seem to be, cannot possibly foot an extra 4 trillion plus dollars over the next 10 years on top of what they already spend in taxes.

What will most likely happen is that they will raise taxes on the rich and then look to other areas like non-profits to raise more.  This will delay them raising taxes on everyone else just long enough to get re-elected.

So how are they going to do this? 

They will use the same method they used to tax corporate executives of the bailed out financial firms when they took bonuses.  They will redirect public opinion to look to “waste” in the non-profit sector – specifically churches, and then they will begin taxing them or removing their non-profit status or reducing the deductible amount given to these organizations.

What will happen to the churches?

First, reducing the tax deductible nature of gifts to non-profits will unfortunately reduce giving. We are blessed in this nation to have our gifts deducted from taxes.  However, most other nations do not have this luxury.  Since our government wants to become more like those nations (e.g. nationalized healthcare), it won’t take much to implement this strategy.

In fact, this has already been tried in the first 100 daysof the present administration. Once the government connects to a new source of income, they will never give it up. This is why tobacco is not outlawed.  They have too many taxes depending on it.

Second, they will look at the “wasteful spending” of churches.  To be honest here, churches are not the best managers of money.  Most of their income goes to non-eternal things (e.g. buildings, heating, lighting, sound systems), and all it will take is swaying public opinion against the “waste”.  Something will happen, hit the news and the talk will never cease until something is done to “fix” this problem. What will follow is taxation on church income.

This will then spread locally.  Those churches that still exist will have their properties taxed in areas where property taxes are collected.  The preceding will hit all charities, not just churches and most will fail. 

Now you’re probably asking why I think this would happen. 

It goes far beyond just taxes to power.  The government is not just on a money binge, but a power grab.  Things are being set up in this administration to install a one party system.  For example, bringing the 2010 Census into the Whitehouse control gives the Whitehousecontrol over redistricting.  Whoever draws those lines, can virtually ensure their candidate gets elected. There was not other reason from bring it into the Whitehouse since it has never been part of the executive powers.

Churches and other non-profits are competition to a socialist style government.  The socialist style government needs to make you (the lowly citizen) completely dependent on them.  If you depend on someone else like the church would be a dilemma.  Look at every socialist and communist government over the past century. The first two things they get rid of are guns and churches.

I heard the president say today that he is going to build a “New Foundation“. He said,

We cannot rebuild this economy on the same pile of sand. We must build our house upon a rock. We must lay a new foundation for growth and prosperity – a foundation that will move us from an era of borrow and spend to one where we save and invest; where we consume less at home and send more exports abroad.

The foundation he speaks of is the capitalist system that made this country great. (But that is for another article in another place.)

But no matter what happens, the core church will remain.  Don’t fret! Our buildings, sound systems and theater seating is going to burn up on the day of Jesus’ return anyway, but when need to be aware that these things are coming. It is a good thing to lose the world and gain your soul.

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