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About Hell: The Reality

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 28, 2009

Hell: Arguably the most controversial subject when it comes to the afterlife.  Most people’s beliefs about hell come from what they learned through tradition, folklore, poor teaching, movies and general fear.  When it comes to hell, many people simply write it off as a myth or parable, and can’t imagine it as a real place that a loving God would actually send people.

To those that write it off, however, the real possibilities of hell come into play when you speak of Hitler, Mao Tse-Tung, Stalin, Charles Manson, mass murders and the like, because heaven certainly can’t be their eternal home. But at what point between the evil of a Hitler and the good of a Mother Theresa does one cross the boundary line of a path that leads to eternal destruction and one to eternal bliss because they were “good”? How many “bad” deeds disqualify you?  How many “good” deeds earn you a ticket?

The Bible lays out reality of hell, how to go there, how to avoid it and the role it plays in God’s eternal plan.

The Reality of Hell

Most people believe in a heaven.  Some believe in hell and few believe in nothing at all.  Sadly, it really doesn’t matter what we believe because belief never offsets reality.  From a practical point of view, the best avenue would be to look at it from a worst case scenario and approach life as if there is a heaven and hell.  If you are wrong, then you have nothing to lose.  But if you discount hell, heaven or both, and are wrong, then your eternity could be quite disappointing.

The Bible has quite a bit to say on the subject, and will look at it over the next couple posts.


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Love is Tough!

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 25, 2009

In our Sunday school class today, the teacher, asked a question with no answer given – “Why is it so hard to do right and so easy to sin?”

Paul asked the same question (Romans 7:7-25) and posed this thought:

So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.

First thing to understand… sin is fun!

If it weren’t appealing, nobody would sin.  Try tempting me with brussel sprouts.  Now try tempting me with a chocolate chip cookie.  Your success in tempting me lies in direct proportion to the pleasure I get from said temptation.

Second thing to understand… sin is natural.

You do not need to teach children how to do bad things.

If you say, “stop!”

They go.

If you tell them, “Don’t touch!”

They touch.  You get the point.

You need to teach them how to do good, and they learn very slowly usually complaining all along the way.  Our selfish nature drives our sin nature and causes us to constantly desire to do what we should not do.

Third thing to understand… obeying God costs you everything.

I know that you don’t want to hear that.  But I can’t take credit for it.  Jesus said,

“If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me” (Luke 9:23)

Doing the right thing means that you probably won’t be “pleasing yourself”, at least, you won’t be gratifying your “sinful nature”

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. – Ephesians 2:1-3

God told Adam, “Don’t eat from that tree.”  The devil told him, “God doesn’t love you, he is holding back the truth.”  Adam made a choice to satisfy his flesh.  Doing right would have meant that he would have had to trust that God knew what was best and that he, Adam, didn’t need to know everything.

All of this is both the blessing and curse of Love.  You must be given a choice not to love in order to show love.  And we show God love by obeying Him. Even the angels had this opportunity.

When Lucifer tried to take over heaven, he took 1/3 of the angels with him in his deception.  Two-thirds chose to trust God, the rest thought he was holding out on them.

Final thing you need to understand… You can trust God!

Yes, at times it seems that he is holding out on you, and to be honest, He might be.  But I can guarantee one thing,  if He is holding out, it is for your good, not your harm.

For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.  Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you,” declares the LORD. (Jeremiah 29:11-14a)

The key to it all is to…

“Trust the Lord with all your heart and not to lean on your own understanding.  Acknowledge him in all your ways and he will direct your path!” (Proverbs 3:5,6)

It’s a battle to do right, but it is definitely worth it in the end.

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Image and Song

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 20, 2009

I think in pictures and sound.

I love to write, but I tend to read slow because the words slowly absorb into my mind in order to be converted to images.  The process takes a considerable amount of time, hence the reading issues.

Songs work in the same manner, only they tend to drive deep inside my core. I don’t process them as slowly, but I dotend to go into “loop” mode.  I define loop mode as a meditative thinking process.  I grab a key phrase, sound or concept in the song and simply repeat it indefinitely in my cranial cavity.

These wonderfully abstract methods of interpretive perception pose no real challenge until they combine.  For example, when I watch a musical on TV, loads of emotions flood my soul to the point that my kids make fun of me.

“Dad, are you crying again?”

I wipe the tears away discreetly and mumble, “No.”

Of course, the evidence disproves my futile attempt at redeeming my manhood, but I can’t avoid the inevitable – Image and Song speak to me.

This might explain why worship effects me the way it does.  This morning, on the way to work, I listened to a song over and over until I arrived, and then once there, looked for the video on Youtube so that I could satisfy the image component and thus be thoroughly satisfied.  I found it and placed it at the end of this article for you enjoyment.

The simplicity of the song and the video might fool you, but the power in the simple words and the simple ease with which the singers build the song in a gentle yet driving fashion embed the thought in your heart – “I will Exalt You”.

The angels stand around the throne of God day and night uttering the phrase, “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come” (Revelation 4:8). That’s it! And they never get bored?  God’s awesome nature must exhibit some serious power if it keeps these creatures in a mode of repetitive worship day and night.

Anyway, this post just rambles on, so without further ado, the video:  Watch it, Listen to it, feel the words, listen again and close your eyes and meditate upon the Lord, the maker of the heavens and the earth and all that is in them.  He was, is and is to come!

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Hope vs. Hope

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 11, 2009

People that buy a lottery ticket hope they win.  I hope to spend eternity with God.  There is a difference between those two hopes.

Romans 5:4-5

Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

Hope, with the possibility of failure

This is the type of hope that we usually think of when someone uses the term “hope”.

  • Boy I really hope we win this game.
  • I hope I get a raise.
  • I hope I win the lottery.

This type of hope has varying levels of confidence in failure.  In other words, the desire is to have the dream come true, but in the back of your mind, you have a serious doubt issue going on.  This is a shaky hope in biblical terms because usually, the assurance is weak at best.

Hope with assurance of a positive outcome

This is the hope that is understood by the first century church.  This is the hope that comes as a result of understanding that God loves you.  It is a hope that kept the early church going even when being thrown to lions, burned at the stake and stoned.  It is the hope that say, “I KNOW in whom I have believed and that when my breathing ceases in this life, my next breath will be in the presence of God!”  Doubt is banished, fear – erased.  The hope of salvation is a guarantee.

What is your hope like?  Do you hope you’ll make it to God when you die, but you aren’t really sure?  Maybe you think you have to do something, to earn a chance to be with God.  Maybe you think you are good, but you are really gambling with your eternity.

The only path to assurance is accepting what God already did for you.  You don’t have what it takes to earn back his good graces.  Only God has that power, and he already did all the work.  Have you received it?  Do you believe it?  Is your hope found solely in Jesus Christ?

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Answers to the Facebook Quiz: Biblical Vs. Tradition

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 10, 2009

The answers to the Facebook quiz: Biblical Vs. Traditional are below with explanations.

Why is this important?  If you don’t know what the Bible says, how can you defend your understanding of it?

Question #1:

David was the second king of Israel

Traditional » Bible Minded
Ish-bosheth – 2 Samuel 2:10 reigned 2 years after the death of Saul was the second king

Question #2:

Three wise men visited Jesus after his birth

Traditional » Bible Minded
Matthew 2:1-12 talks about the Magi visit, and name the gifts (Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh) but don’t number the magi.  The Hymns like “We three kings” establish this tradition.

Question #3:

The wise men followed a star to the manger where Jesus was born

Traditional » Bible Minded
Yes, the followed a star, no they didn’t go to the manger.  In fact, they may have been as late as 2 years late for the birth based on Herod’s execution order where he wanted to kill all the boys, 2 years and younger.  They visited Jesus in a house. (Matthew 2)

Question #4:

Adam and Eve ate an apple in the garden which is what God told them not to do.

Traditional » Bible Minded
God told them not to eat the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not and “apple”.  (Genesis 2-3)  We don’t know what type of fruit it was.

Question #5:

Elijah went to heaven in a firey chariot

Traditional » Bible Minded
He went up in a whirlwind, although there was a fiery chariot nearby, he didn’t use it. (2 Kings 2:1, 11)

Question #6:

Peter stands by the pearly gate

Traditional » Bible Minded
Not in the Bible.  Total tradition.

Question #7:

Jesus was Crucified on Friday

Traditional » Bible Minded
There is some dispute on this matter, but the biggest argument is that Jesus said he would be in the ground 3 days and 3 nights.  If He was crucified on Friday, even using the Jewish understanding of the day which started at sunset, he would have only been dead at best, three days (more likely 2) and two nights. This would make Jesus a liar, which we know can’t be.  There are many discussions on this, but even though the Sabbath is talked about, It doesn’t say he was crucified on Friday.

Question #8:

Angels sing in the Bible

Traditional » Bible Minded
No where do Angels ever sing.  They always speak, even when worshiping God.  The biggest indication of “singing like an angel” comes from hymns like “Angels we have heard on high, sweetly singing over the plains”.  Whether they sing or not, is conjecture, but the Bible never indicates that they do.

Question #9:

Heaven’s streets are paved in gold

Traditional » Bible Minded
Not in the Bible.  The only place that has streets paved with Gold are the streets of the New Jerusalem, which is not heaven.  It is a city coming from heaven and will reside on the new earth.  The New Jerusalem will be the eternal home for believers and for God. (Revelation 20-22)

Question #10:

“God helps those that helps themselves” is in the Bible

Traditional » Bible Minded
Quote from Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanac 1757

Question #11:

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is in the Bible

Biblical » Bible Minded
Yep, Luke 6:31

Question #12:

All angels have two wings

Traditional » Bible Minded
I can’t find a scripture that says they have two wings.  I find four wings (Ezekiel 1:11), six wings (Isaiah 6:2) and no wings, but not two wings.

Question #13:

Mary Magdelene had seven demons cast out of her

Biblical » Bible Minded
Yep, Luke 8:2

Question #14:

Believers in Jesus will spend eternity in heaven

Traditional » Bible Minded
See question 9.  Nowhere in the Bible do you see believers in heaven for eternity.  There eternal home is the new Jerusalem which is back on the newly rebuild earth with God. (Revelation 22-23)

Question #15:

Luke was a doctor

Biblical » Bible Minded
According to Paul. Colossians 4:14

Question #16:

Noah gathered the animals 2×2 to take on the ark

Traditional » Bible Minded
Actually, God gathered them together – Noah didn’t lift a finger, except to build the ark. (Genesis 7:9)

Question #17:

God created the heavens and earth in 7 days

Traditional » Bible Minded
6 days – he rested on the 7th (Genesis 2:1)

Question #18:

All believers are saints

Biblical » Bible Minded
Saints is a term used dozens of times to refer to all the believers (Paul and John use the term a lot)

Question #19:

Judas hanged himself

Biblical » Bible Minded
Yep. Matthew 27:5

Question #20:

Jesus Christ died on a cross for our sins and if we accept that sacrifice on our behalf, we will be saved.

Biblical » Bible Minded
Yes, John 3:16, et. al

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The Power of a Geneology

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 9, 2009

This is the most amazing Bible study of which I ever had the privilege to be part.  I can’t take credit for its discovery, (That would be Chuck Misler), but I love to use this to open people’s eyes to the true power of the Word of God.

The genealogy we are going to look at is found in Genesis 5.  It takes up the whole chapter – so I will abbreviate it here. The list of names and their meaning are below:

  • Adam – “man”
  • Seth – “appointed”
  • Enosh – “mortal”
  • Kenan -“having”
  • Mahalalel – “sorrow” “God”
  • Jared – “shall descend”
  • Enoch – “dedicated” “anointed”
  • Methuselah – “his death shall bring”
  • Lamech – “the lowly”
  • Noah – “Comfort”

If you take these names and read them out in order as a sentence in English, here’s what you get…

“Man appointed mortal and having sorrow but God shall descend anointed; his death shall bring the lowly comfort.”

Read that again….

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is embedded in the very genealogy of Scripture.  God breathed every word in this book.  There is a reason for every letter and word used.  The power of the word of God oozes with the good news of our savior no matter how deep you look and no matter where you look – even in a genealogy!

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How to Follow when you want to Lead

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 9, 2009

Biblegateway Scripture of the day

It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. – Deuteronomy 13:4

You won’t find here or in Scripture where God tells us to “follow our dreams” or “follow your heart” or “at least your intentions were good.” God is pretty straight forward, “Follow Him!” There just isn’t any other way.

“Follow me” was Jesus’ first call to his disciples, and it is that very thing that is so difficult.  There are things that stand in the way:

  • Pride and personal ambition
  • Fear that we won’t get to choose our path or that the path God has is too hard
  • Control is gone.  – God want’s to be the pilot, not the co-pilot. If he’s in charge, we can’t be.

However, as difficult as it may seem, there are ways to overcome these hindrances.

First, realize that God is not out to get you but to complete you.  There is a work he wants to do in each and every one of us to complete us and make us more into the image of his Son.  Realize that if all “falls apart” according to what you define as “falling apart” while following God, but you become more like Christ, you are really being put together.

Second, let go! The hardest thing to do is simply going to God before making decisions in life.  Pray for wisdom and patience and that he will direct your decision making by giving you the will to do what he wants and by closing the door to the places he wants you to avoid while opening the doors to the areas in which he wants to lead you.

Note: a lot more of your prayers will be answered if you pray God’s will.  The secret to prayer is how you ask and what you ask for.  God will give the wisdom by which to make the decision, but you have to submit to asking him first while at the same time, putting your will aside.

Finally, (it’s only final as far as this article is concerned) Love God.  You aren’t going to want to follow someone you don’t love.

“Yeah, I know he’s God, but he’s always making my life so difficult...”; people think like this all the time, and it comes from a lack of truly loving God for who he is first.  A lot of the pieces of your life will fall into place if you just love him.

Jesus asked Peter before he ascended back to the Father, “Do you love me?”  Jesus knew the answer, Peter just needed to figure it out. That is the question you need to be honest about asking yourself.  If you can’t be sure, you aren’t spending the time with him that you need to build a proper relationship.  Take the time today and learn to follow.

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The Time is Short

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 5, 2009

Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near. – Isaiah 55:6

The Biblegateway scripture of the day rings a resounding alarm – there will be a day that God will be too far away.  That day approaches quickly, are you in with Him yet?

God doesn’t just throw around threats; His desire is to show you His bountiful goodness, so the Isaiah 55 starts off with –

Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and your soul will delight in the richest of fare.

Give ear and come to me;
hear me, that your soul may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.

What God has is free, but it has to be received.  He did all the work, but you still need to acknowledge your need for Him and your inability to make it to Him on your own.  Jesus is the only way to God; He is the truth and He is the only hope of eternal life you have.  This is immutable, and the offer only lasts for a short time before it is too late.

Come to the fountain today and drink freely of eternal life. Don’t let it slip away.

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Some Thoughts on the End Times – Part 3

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 3, 2009

A Different Look…

I hear teaching all the time on the End Times and how the church is going to be raptured before the tribulation time to come.  If you believe this, you don’t want to read any further because aren’t going to like it.

Yes, I believe the church will be raptured, but no, I don’t believe the Bible even hints that the church is going to avoid some serious trouble.  I know of only one Scripture used, I believe, out of context, that is used to teach that the church is out of here before the end comes.

For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. – 1 Thessalonian 5:9

This passage talks about salvation, and it’s rewards verses rejection of salvation and its reward.  That being said, I do believe God is not going to pour out His wrath on the Church in the end. That isn’t to say that someone’s wrath won’t be poured out on the church.

The more I look at the Book of Revelation, the more I am convinced that it is written more for the church than those “left behind”.  I also have a difficult time accepting the common premise that chapter 3 is the last time you see the church in Revelation.  I believe that chapter 6 and 7 lay out a bit of a different picture.

First, I don’t think that the tribulation time even begins until after the 6th Seal is opened in Revelation 6. Look at the first six seals for example:

Seal 1 – The White Horse and Rider

This simply represents a time of conquest, it doesn’t mean that it is the antichrist or even war, just that there is a particular nation, group or group of nations that begins a world-wide conquest (probably not done through war but words).  This may be quick, but could take years. If you look at today’s world, it could be a social or economic overthrow, but whatever it is, it ushers in the next rider.

Seal 2 – The Red Horse and Rider

This is war.  Notice that peace is removed from the earth at this time.  The first rider could represent a takeover that either doesn’t work, or one that works and war is needed to reinforce it.  Either way, war breaks out.  There is no telling how long the war takes.  But is does last long enough to bring in the next two horses.

Seal 3 – The Black Horse and Rider

This is famine and food shortage.  Worldwide  famines take a while to kick in – a year or two could certainly jack things up where you would have to work a whole day in order to buy a loaf of bread.

Seal 4 – The Pale Horse and Rider

This is death – the next step in famine and war.

Notice that the first four horses are man’s own doing.  God doesn’t need to do a thing for them to occur.

The 5th Seal is the key to my understanding of the end times.  You see martyred believers under the altar in heaven.  The assumption is that they are killed during the time of the first four seals.  Before the wrath of God comes on the world (c.f. Revelation 6:17), the wrath of the world comes on the believing community.  From the verbiage in this seal, you see that the time of martyred is not quite over yet.  \

Wait… I thought all the believers were in heaven?  Where did these come from? And why are more still to die? I thought the believers were all raptured?

I know that some teach that these are the people saved during the tribulation time, but there is no indication that believers were ever taken from the earth in the first place.  This is the church going through the times of troubles Jesus said would happen to the church. (c.f. Mark 13, Matthew 24, Luke 21, John 15:18-27,

The 6th Seall is the first one where God does something – an earthquake, spacial anomalies and astronomical upheaval. It is at this point that the world recognizes two things – the wrath of God has come and they need to hide.

You get the sense at this point that 1) the Great Tribuluation has started and 2) the believers going to be taken away.

From this point (Revelation 7), God sets up 144,000 evangelists, and then you see the  raptured beilevers in heaven.  One of the elders around the throne asks a strange question, “Where did these come from?”

In Chapter 4, we see the elders worshiping around the throne; now all of a sudden – poof… “Hey, where did all these people come from?”  The answer to the question by the martyred believers in Seal 5 is answered in this moment.

Notice that the angel says, “These are those that have come out of the great tribulation.” – Revelation 7:14

The 7th Seal then starts the punishment from God on the earth. (Revelation 8)

Look at how Jesus describes this time – the order is the same as described above and in Revelation. (Remember that he is speaking to believers)

“Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong —let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains (6th Seal) Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out. Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that this will not take place in winter (this is how the church should pray. Why? Unless we are still here), because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again. If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible. So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

“But in those days, following that distress, (6th Seal)
” ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. (This is the rapture)

“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come. It’s like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.

“Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!’ ” (This is the only command from Jesus about the end – watch!)

– Mark 13

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Some Thoughts on the End Times – Part 2

Posted by undergroundchurch on October 3, 2009

Prophecy is a finicky thing.  On the one hand, God uses it to reveal his plan, however cloaked it may appear.  On the other hand, when it comes to pass, you find out that the most sincere people got it wrong, and the people that shouldn’t have figured it out – did.

Take Jesus’ birth for example.  From Daniel’s prophecies and many others, the Jews knew the time period Jesus would be born, yet the only ones who actually figured it out were the people that didn’t even have the scriptures to go by. They were men from the East.  Those who were waiting, were looking for a king to be born in a castle, but those that weren’t supposed to know God very well, didn’t care where he was born, only that he was born.

This is a recurring theme in prophecy throughout the Bible.  The Jewish leaders were looking for a conquering king, but it was the fishermen in Galilee that found him because he came the first time as a suffering servant.

The interesting thing about God’s prophecies is that no matter the speculation before hand, when they do come to pass, little doubt is left.  This will be the case in the end times too.

I am always asking the question… “Why?”  I start with, “Why do I believe what I believe?” and end up with “Why does the Scripture say it this way or that?”  The Scriptures have shaken a lot of the beliefs I held to because when taken at face value, they tend to challenge my preconceived notions.

For example, when people interpret a scripture, they tend to drive it one way or another and usually build their interpretation on what they have heard others say.  This practice tends to breed a sense of dogma that can’t be broken, no matter how much scriptural proof is shown. The byproduct of having an exclusionary or extreme interpretation is that it alienates those that don’t believe as you do.

Basically, what I am saying here is that when it comes to end time prophecy, avoid the temptation to be dogmatic.  That’s what the first century Jews did and they ended up killing their own Messiah because he didn’t fit that preconceived mold.  They simple wouldn’t believe any other way.

When it comes to prophecy, expect the unexpected.

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